Joshua 10:
12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel
So, my friend Zach Bauer just made a video attempting to refute what the above text actually says, stating that it is all a “perspective issue” from the Earthbound observer’s point of view.
Now, to be fair, I have made some of the exact same arguments myself. But there are several problems I now have with this view:
- The text says Joshua commanded the sun and the moon, not the Earth to stand still. He took LEGAL authority with his words. Words mean things, but even more so in a legal framework. If one is going to take legal authority over the natural world, then the words used should be quite accurate and very definitive. YHWH did not say, “Oh well, I know my servant is an ignorant moron, so I’ll do what is necessary to make his command come true. I know what he meant to say, so I’ll go ahead and stop the Earth and suspend a host of post-Copernican ‘laws’ in order to make it happen.”
- Yes, if you stop the Earth in the current post-Copernican model, the sun would appear to stop in the sky. However, the text says the moon stopped too. This presents another problem for anyone who refuses to simply take the Bible at its word. The moon is allegedly in orbit around our world, both spinning itself (in a fashion that just so happens to keep the same “face” pointed toward us all the time) as well as moving around us. So, for Joshua’s command to work as stated (and understood in the post-Copernican model of the cosmos), YHWH would have had to stop the Earth and the moon. And if He stopped the moon, but didn’t stop its rotation too, then how could it remain in sync with the same face pointed toward us precisely as it is?
- If the Earth stops rotating, Newton’s orbital laws of motion would have to be suspended. In short, you would lose “gravity.” The magnetic field would also collapse and you would have to deal with 1,000 mile wind-sheer as the atmosphere would continue to spin even if the Earth stopped, in accordance with the Law of Inertia. The same would be true of the oceans, which would have to totally flood the whole Earth in accordance with the same law. I see no evidence of the Isrealites being drowned in this encounter.
- The Earth (allegedly) spins and is as Zach believes heliocentric, meaning it is going around the sun. But if the sun stood still, there would have to be a suspension of both our orbital movement as well as our rotational movement in order to keep the sun specifically over one location “upon Gibeon.” So, where do we see any evidence that the Earth then spun back up to 1,000 mph, and proceeded to move back into its heliocentric orbital speed of 67,000 mph around the sun?
- If the moon is allegedly in charge of the tides of our seas, then we’d also have significant tidal issues as it ramped back up to speed doing its thing after being stopped from doing it by Joshua’s command.
But since Zach and others like him prefer to agree with modern, monkey-man science over what the Scriptures actually say, I’ll direct such people to the same monkey-men they trust to explain many of the same problems I just gave above:
And in the case of Hezikiah and the sun dial going backward, things get even worse!
Isaiah 38:
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto theLord,
3 And said, Remember now, O Lord, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah, saying,
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.
7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;
8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
Here you would have the Earth stop rotating. Then start rotating backward, then reversing again and ramping back up to 1,000 mph again. Really?? Do you have any idea how badly that would jack up all of the oceans, rivers and lakes?? Of course, you could say, “Well, it’s called a ‘miracle’ for a reason Rob. God just made it all work out that way, with no accompanying issues, which would have to occur according to our monkey-man science.” Sure. You could use that argument. Or… you could just simply agree with what the Bible says!
At no time whatsoever does the Bible in any way, shape or form even remotely support a spinning, heliocentric ball Earth concept. The sun doesn’t even show up until Day 4 of Creation for crying out loud, showing the singular importance of the Earth over the sun. The sun is here to support life on the pre-existing, stationary Earth. The Earth was here first in the Biblical model and – according to Moses – the sun, moon and stars were later placed over us inside the firmament (dome-like, metallic enclosure) that separates the waters above from the waters below. But in the model Zach supports, the firmament is gone and all importance is shifted to the sun and everything quite literally “revolves” around it instead of Earth. The problem for those who want to hold on to both the Bible and monkey-man science is that in Scripture we always see the Earth as center stage, not the sun and it is to the Earth that everything else in the cosmos remains subordinate. You cannot hold onto both the Bible and monkey-man science as they are most certainly diametrically opposing (pardon the pun) viewpoints.
Zach then goes on to talk about the various transits in front of the sun and the moons of Jupiter and such. So what?? Big deal. That doesn’t conflict with anything in the geocentric model (whether the Earth is flat or round is also irrelevant in that argument). Naturally, Mercury and Venus would have to be wayyyy smaller in order for the Flat Earth model to be true, but again, so what? Where does the Bible give us any scale to work from? Oh yeah, we trust NASA and Atheistic monkey-man science more. Right. I forgot. Sorry. Regardless, yes, Joe Blow can buy a telescope and observe all of these things for themselves. In fact, I have done just that many times in my youth. I was glued to my 300x telescope and have seen a lot of this stuff myself… but it does not prove heliocentricity.
Zach then attempts to debunk The Principle and cites the complaints of Kate Mulgrew and others who were in the film (such as Lawrence Kraus), who incidentally hate God and spend their whole careers doing all they can to discredit the Bible. So, it is no big surprise why they would be upset with the message of The Principle and having their name associated with it. To say they were “misrepresented in the film” is simply ridiculous though. They were fairly and accurately presented, giving their views on the evidence. They just didn’t like the conclusions the film makers came to as a result of that evidence and thus didn’t want their names associated with the project. Yet, you have Michio Kaku basically stating that they know they have no clue what they are talking about:
The above is not taken out of context. It was not skillfully manipulated through editing. The man said those words on camera! But I must say it is nothing short of shocking that Zach (a man I truly do love and respect) is taking the sides of men who quite literally hate God and are proud to state as much frequently as abundantly evident in their consistent disdain for all things Biblical:
The Kate Mulgrew argument is probably the most absurd. She read the script (for 3 weeks no less) and was the freaking narrator for crying out loud! So she knew exactly what she was getting into. How could you not? If you are the narrator, you have a script. If you can read and comprehend what you are reading, then you know exactly what it is you are talking about and there can be no surprise. For the other side of Zach’s argument regarding criticism against the film makers of The Principle, please be sure to watch:
Forgetting The Principle and Flat Earth altogether, if you are still interested in the geocentric argument, please watch this video:
- Rob Skiba
ARGHH!!! I just decided to delete most of my comment as I was arguing for both sides. I’ll just continue my internal struggle quietly. In any case, the circumstances and accusations surrounding the making of the movie is concerning to me. Even if the scientists are God haters, it seems they were tricked into participating in this movie and that is not cool. That is just downright dirty and it makes me question the integrity of the information being presented.
Watch the “Thought Crime” video that debunks the whole “they were tricked” routine.
I was expecting a he said/she said argument from that video. I had my rebuttal all ready swirling around my brain. I needed actual proof that the scientists were lying. Well, Rick gave it to me. He has a signed release form from Krauss, plus multiple video clips of the scientists and Kate showing they are clearly fully aware of the topic. Wow. Can’t argue with that. Someone wants that film discredited.
https://robschannel.com/joshua-commanded-the-sun-and-moon-to-stand-still-not-the-earth
Joshua commanded the SUN and MOON to stand still… NOT the Earth!
by Rob Skiba| May 4, 2016
Joshua 10:
12 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel
So, my friend Zach Bauer just made a video attempting to refute what the above text actually says, stating that it is all a “perspective issue” from the Earthbound observer’s point of view.
Rob:
1. The text says Joshua commanded the sun and the moon, not the Earth to stand still. He took LEGAL authority with his words. Words mean things, but even more so in a legal framework. If one is going to take legal authority over the natural world, then the words used should be quite accurate and very definitive. YHWH did not say, “Oh well, I know my servant is an ignorant moron, so I’ll do what is necessary to make his command come true. I know what he meant to say, so I’ll go ahead and stop the Earth and suspend a host of post-Copernican ‘laws’ in order to make it happen.”
Mary: Rob, it is the rotation of the spherical Earth which, from our perspective upon the Earth’s surface, causes the Sun and the Moon to move with respect to the Earth’s surface!
Rob, the laws of physics were created by Yahweh ~6,000 years ago. As Zack stated, what occurred was a MIRACLE accomplished by our Creator-God.
Joshua had a battle to fight and to win. He needed a longer day / daylight. Only Yahweh is capable of answering Joshua’s prayer.
Rob:
2. Yes, if you stop the Earth in the current post-Copernican model, the sun would appear to stop in the sky. However, the text says the moon stopped too. This presents another problem for anyone who refuses to simply take the Bible at its word. The moon is allegedly in orbit around our world, both spinning itself (in a fashion that just so happens to keep the same “face” pointed toward us all the time) as well as moving around us. So, for Joshua’s command to work as stated (and understood in the post-Copernican model of the cosmos), YHWH would have had to stop the Earth and the moon. And if He stopped the moon, but didn’t stop its rotation too, then how could it remain in sync with the same face pointed toward us precisely as it is?
Mary: My biblical Creator-God is 100% capable of accomplishing all that was required! Do we, really, know what face of the Moon was facing the Earth at the time of Creation? There are two movements which, from our Earth’s surface position affect the Moon’s movement: 1) The Earth rotates from West to East, 2) The Moon orbits, also, from West to East: “Earth’s moon exhibits prograde motion, meaning that it orbits Earth in the same direction that Earth is rotating on its axis. Viewed from above the North Pole, this is counter-clockwise. This is also the same direction in which Earth orbits the Sun, and the same direction in which the Sun rotates on its axis.” https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+direction+does+the+moon+orbit+the+earth&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=wnwqV4T3C5jOjwO8zZ3AAw
The Earth system includes the Moon, Atmosphere, magnetic field, and the Earth. Just like Yahweh is capable of holding us “in His hands,” He is, equally, capable of holding the Earth-system “in His hands!”
Rob:
3. If the Earth stops rotating, Newton’s orbital laws of motion would have to be suspended. In short, you would lose “gravity.” The magnetic field would also collapse and you would have to deal with 1,000 mile wind-sheer as the atmosphere would continue to spin even if the Earth stopped, in accordance with the Law of Inertia. The same would be true of the oceans, which would have to totally flood the whole Earth in accordance with the same law. I see no evidence of the Isrealites being drowned in this encounter.
Mary: Rob, correction: The orbital laws of motion and the law of inertia are Yahweh’s and not Newton’s!
Rob, there is an atmosphere surrounding the spherical Earth! The atmosphere and the Earth are a single entity for Yahweh to stop! Therefore, the surface of the Earth would not have noticed any changes. The battle carried on, remember, and they beat their enemy! The magnetic field, also, exists within the Earth’s atmosphere. The oceans, also, are part and parcel of the Earth and its atmosphere. Gravity would not be lost, nor would the centrifugal force be lost, because gravity continues its attraction, regardless. Have you ever swung a pail of water up and around beside you? Your Yahweh is too small, apparently.
Rob:
4. The Earth (allegedly) spins and is as Zach believes heliocentric, meaning it is going around the sun. But if the sun stood still, there would have to be a suspension of both our orbital movement as well as our rotational movement in order to keep the sun specifically over one location “upon Gibeon.” So, where do we see any evidence that the Earth then spun back up to 1,000 mph, and proceeded to move back into its heliocentric orbital speed of 67,000 mph around the sun?
Mary: The Sun is 93 million miles away. At that distance the few hours involved would not make an observable difference. Therefore, there is no reason to have the Earth NOT continue in its yearly course around the Sun in orbit. It is the rotation of the Earth which,, from our Earth-bound perspective, would not have been observably affected. There are historical documents which state that there was a longer day in other nations, too.
Rob:
5. If the moon is allegedly in charge of the tides of our seas, then we’d also have significant tidal issues as it ramped back up to speed doing its thing after being stopped from doing it by Joshua’s command.
Mary: Rob, you are NOT taking the effects of the atmosphere into consideration. You are, also, not taking “great power and Godhead” into consideration!
But since Zach and others like him prefer to agree with modern, monkey-man science over what the Scriptures actually say, I’ll direct such people to the same monkey-men they trust to explain many of the same problems I just gave above:
And in the case of Hezikiah and the sun dial going backward, things get even worse!
Isaiah 38:
1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live.
2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto theLord,
3 And said, Remember now, O Lord, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
4 Then came the word of the Lord to Isaiah, saying,
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.
6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city.
7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken;
8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
Rob:
Here you would have the Earth stop rotating. Then start rotating backward, then reversing again and ramping back up to 1,000 mph again. Really?? Do you have any idea how badly that would jack up all of the oceans, rivers and lakes?? Of course, you could say, “Well, it’s called a ‘miracle’ for a reason Rob. God just made it all work out that way, with no accompanying issues, which would have to occur according to our monkey-man science.” Sure. You could use that argument. Or… you could just simply agree with what the Bible says!
Mary: I read, “the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken.” So, what is your problem?
Rob:
At no time whatsoever does the Bible in any way, shape or form even remotely support a spinning, heliocentric ball Earth concept. The sun doesn’t even show up until Day 4 of Creation for crying out loud, showing the singular importance of the Earth over the sun. The sun is here to support life on the pre-existing, stationary Earth. The Earth was here first in the Biblical model. But in the model Zach supports, the importance is shifted to the sun and everything quite literally “revolves” around it instead of Earth. The problem for those who want to hold on to both the Bible and monkey-man science is that in Scripture we always see the Earth as center stage and it is to the Earth that everything else in the cosmos remains subordinate. You cannot hold onto both as they are most certainly diametrically opposing (pardon the pun) viewpoints.
Mary: Rob, what is the very beginning of the Creation? It is BOTH the “heavens and the earth,” which exist as the “waters.” On Day 1 the “waters” were energized with , “Let there be light.” On Day 2 those same “waters” were separated by the “firmament” which originated from the “waters,” as “the waters above and the waters below.” The “waters below” became the Earth and the “waters above” became all that wasn’t the Earth-atmosphere.
1 “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”
You will notice, Rob, that the totality of the “waters,” within “the face of the waters” became the “heavens and the earth.” The Creation was not created having Intelligence, Emotion and Volition, but humans were. Therefore, The Bible contains the HUMAN POINT OF VIEW. The Bible was recorded from the point of view of the Earth, because that is where humans exist. The Sun rises every morning and the Sun sets every evening. It is the rotating of the spherical Earth which causes that rising and setting to occur with respect to the Sun and Moon, which is also moving in its orbit.
To address your claim, “At no time whatsoever does the Bible in any way, shape or form even remotely support a spinning, heliocentric ball Earth concept,” I give you:
Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above (the expanse) proclaims his handiwork.
2 Day to day pours out speech,
and night to night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech, nor are there words,
whose voice is not heard.
4Their voice (their measuring line – Mazzaroth – orbiting path for all of the planets, Moon and Sun – against the backdrop of the stars / constellations) goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.
In them he has set a tent for the sun,
5 which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber,
and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.
6 Its rising is from the end of the heavens,
and its circuit to the end of them,
and there is nothing hidden from its heat.
Rob, I have highlighted the words, above, which refer to the Sun.
Job 38:32
Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
Mazzaroth: – the 12 signs of the Zodiac and their 36 associated constellations
Rob, We have seasons, because the spherical Earth orbits the Sun, yearly. The North Pole continues to point toward the North Star in the Northern Hemisphere. The South Pole, also, continues to point toward a region of a Southern star region. The Northern Hemisphere of the Earth sphere points away from the Sun’s rays during our Winter and toward the Sun during our Summer. Spring and Fall occur when the sunlight strikes the Equator with equal day and night durations.
BECAUSE the Earth orbits the Sun, yearly, the night-time constellations / stars CHANGE (for Earth inhabitants between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn), because the night-time, being always OPPOSITE the Sun / sunlight, always presents the Mazzaroth constellations which are located 360 degrees behind the Earth’s yearly orbit.
Psalm 19 is describing the Mazzaroth stars in this 360 view of Earth inhabitants as the Earth orbits the Sun during its 360 degree elliptical orbit.
You can’t have SEASONS on a flat Earth!
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=season&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=season&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Rob, you can’t have the FEASTS OF ISRAEL according to “season” on a flat Earth.
Rob:
Zach then goes on to talk about the various transits in front of the sun and the moons of Jupiter and such. So what?? Big deal. That doesn’t conflict with anything in the geocentric model (whether the Earth is flat or round is also irrelevant in that argument). Naturally, Mercury and Venus would have to be wayyyy smaller in order for the Flat Earth model to be true, but again, so what? Where does the Bible give us any scale to work from? Oh yeah, we trust NASA and Atheistic monkey-man science more. Right. I forgot. Sorry. Regardless, yes, Joe Blow can buy a telescope and observe all of these things for themselves. In fact, I have done just that many times in my youth. I was glued to my 300x telescope and have seen a lot of this stuff myself… but it does not prove heliocentricity.
Mary: Rob, why are there inner and outer planets? Why do the outer planets exhibit retrograde movements during their orbits with respect to the Earth and the inner planets do not exhibit retrograde movements? Do the outer planets move behind the Sun? Why don’t they move between the Sun and the Earth like the inner planets do? How do you define the Solar System with respect to the Sun?
Rob, Science isn’t always tainted / distorted by evolutionary thinking!! There is legitimate science.
The Sun is at one focus point of the elliptical orbits of each / all of the planets of the Solar System.
Do you consider the Earth to be a member of the Solar System?
Rob:
Zach then attempts to debunk The Principle and cites the complaints of Kate Mulgrew and others who were in the film (such as Lawrence Kraus), who incidentally hate God and spend their whole careers doing all they can to discredit the Bible. So, it is no big surprise why they would be upset with the message of The Principle and having their name associated with it. To say they were “misrepresented in the film” is simply ridiculous though. They were fairly and accurately presented, giving their views on the evidence. They just didn’t like the conclusions the film makers came to as a result of that evidence and thus didn’t want their names associated with the project. Yet, you have Michio Kaku basically stating that they know they have no clue what they are talking about:
Mary: My Astronomy prof stated that Astronomy was the last of the pure sciences. Yes, there are many speculations which have been made by astronomers, but the evidences for the Solar System is not one of them.
Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven
to divide the day from the night;
and let them be for signs,
and for seasons,
and for days,
and years:
to divide the day from the night; – stars and Moon at night, Sun and Moon during day – rotating Earth
and let them be for signs, – Star names given by Yahweh, planets moving in orbits, moving planets and comets appearing in relevant constellations “We have seen His star in the East….”
and for seasons, – stars and constellations appearing seasonally, Spring Feasts / Fall Feasts / seed time and harvest
and for days, one rotation of the Earth = 1 day, Sun by day no stars by night, Feast Days according to the Moon,
and years: one orbit of the Sun = 1 year
It is the 23.5 degrees tilt from the vertical of the Earth’s axis which causes the Seasons as the Earth orbits the Sun, yearly.
Too much utter nonsense to refute in your reply. No time. Suffice it to say, I cannot more strongly disagree with you. YHWH bless.
Great article! May YHWH bless you and keep you.
cheers
I wonder why you distrust SCIENCE? Legitimate Science is
Thank you for a first reply to one of my posts!
OPERATIONAL SCIENCE which can be empirically tested via The
Scientific Method of Investigation. Yahweh commanded Adam and Eve to “have dominion over the earth” and the animal life-forms. Science, if it is truly Science, can be trusted, and tested empirically. It is the HISTORICAL SCIENCES which involve speculations and assumptions, like all aspects of evolution MUST do. Creation Sciences, also, involve speculations and assumptions, UNLESS The Bible directs otherwise. Biblical HISTORY trumps historical sciences speculations and assumptions.
The Earth and all planets of the Solar System are spheres, as are the Sun and the Moon. The Bible does NOT state otherwise!!!
I wondered if your, personal, experiments off of the Florida coast re: ships disappearing over the horizon, and your related comments, were made with the following in mind?
https://robschannel.com/50-reasons-or-50-errors-for-the-pre-trib-rapture#comment-215
Our five senses do not see, hear, touch, taste or smell,Rob. Those senses send electrical signals to our physical brains. It is our brains which interpret the electrical signals with the resulting of what we call: seeing, hearing, touching, tasting or smelling. What our senses seem to be telling us, is not always so!
When we see the Sun setting over the horizon, is has already set. The effect of the atmosphere upon the rays of Sunlight cause the Sun to appear AFTER it has already set. This will also come into play regarding your ships disappearing gradually at the horizon.
I am, of course, disappointed that you didn’t understand my, above points regarding Joshua and Hezekiah regarding the Sun and Moon.
You, obviously, distrust all Science, and regarding The Bible you reject biblical FIGURES OF SPEECH used regarding the Earth and its shape! We, biblically, know that each aspect of The Creation happened because Yahweh SPOKE and it was done. “Great power and Godhead nature” shouldn’t be limited by human thinking!
I don’t recall anyone saying that the sun, moon, stars and planets are not spheres. I certainly never did, nor did I ever state that the Bible states otherwise, therefore you are engaging in what is known as a strawman argument in that regard. As for the Earth being described as a sphere, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY does the Bible ever even so much as insinuate that it is. Isaiah knew the difference between a ball (Isaiah 22:18) and a circle (Isaiah 40:22). The KJV translators did too. It’s a shame so many Christians do not.
As for anyone one trying to claim the Bible is NOT a Flat Earth book, they are either hopelessly deceived or on some serious drugs. Even the HIGHLY RESPECTED scholars of the premium (and very expensive) Bible study tool Logos Bible Software have the intellectual integrity to admit (in no uncertain terms) that the Holy Spirit inspired Biblical authors, like the entire Ancient Near East ALL believed the world was flat, set on pillars and under a dome (or other such firm structure). Some of the details vary, but the overall picture remains the same. To deny this is to prove complete and utter ignorance of the FACTS and to reveal an obvious agenda to be entirely dishonest with both history and the Biblical text (which unfortunately is a trait that is becoming entirely too common these days among Christians). And to try and dismiss ALLLLLLLLLL of the MANY verses in the Bible that describe our world and its place in the cosmos as “figures of speech,” allegory, poetry and any other such similar nonsense is again to demonstrate a habit of engaging in severe dishonesty with the text.
Do I distrust SCIENCE? No. Do I distrust science FALSELY so-called. Yes. Absolutely.
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/iss043e184614.jpg
Rob, this photo shows the curvature of the Earth’s spherical shape. Every 92 minutes the ISS orbits Earth. How do you deal with those facts?
Mary
“Facts”??? LOL! Prove it.
Rob, in this video taken from the ISS, the space / stars are visible at the bottom, the Earth’s atmosphere and curvature are next, above, and above that are the passing images of the Earth at night.
https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/y4/r/-PAXP-deijE.gif
How do you refute this evidence of a spherical Earth?
Astronauts in the ISS are taking photos from their vantage point. It takes 92 minutes for the ISS to orbit some vantage points of the Earth. Here are some of their photos:
http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/space-station-flyover-of-morocco
Mary
Give me one legitimate reason why I should trust anything presented to me as “evidence” that is coming from Nazis, Freemasons and an organization that has proven time and time again to have lied to the public.
Rob I would have to say almost everything you say is what my brain has been trying to spit out or put together decades. Now I like to think of myself as a smart guy, albeit a bit slow to get to a conclusion at times. However iv always had a problem with the narrative or so called facts they’ve presented us with.i.e. the globe, pre trib rap, ext. But it was what was pounded home as truth so eventually I said “ok, if you say so” and went about my life. Then the past few years happened. The Internet plus the red pill has brought me into a whole new world. With YHWH & Yeshua FINALLY starting to make some real sense. Now I’m still struggling at figuring out how to become the person YHWH wants me to be but it’s painful to see people who claim to be believers so lost. YHWH used you to reveal a TON of things to me. From the bottom of my heart I say thank you. (Fist bumps of thanks)
Right on brother. Amen!
Amen indeed! Iv been scouring everywhere for info on shavuot. How to observe/enjoy it, but I can’t seem to find much on it. The little I have found seems iffy. Many thanks brother.
And by little on it I mean either someone or somewhere I know not to heed to or its someone or somewhere and I’m not picking up what their laying down, if you know what I mean?
Don’t mean to blow up your comment line. I just seem to be remembering things hours and days later. I mean anything on shavuot outside of Jim Staley. Thanks
Ohh look another thought days later. Just an fyi I don’t think jim is a bad person or wrong in what he teaches. I just didn’t get everything I was looking for in his shavout stuff. Thanks. Last post on said subject. ………I think…….:)
Shalom. Great Job as usual Rob.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven ABOVE, or that is in the earth BENEATH, or that is in the water UNDER the earth.
Everything is absolute and not relative. Heaven, Earth, Water beneath the earth. Only possible on a flat earth and not on the relative heliocentric model where up and down are relative to individuals.
When Yeshua comes the only way we can all see Him is on a FLAT EARTH which wont require light bending around corners for it to be feasible.
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